Monday, February 27, 2012

Democrat Pragmatism: Will it Work

Conventional political wisdom contends that elections are won in the middle.  This election cycle, conventional wisdom has not done so well.  It is extremely hard to predict what will happen in the general election this far out.
However, will swing voters do just that, swing this year’s presidential election?
Who are the swing voters?  Well the benchmarks that are often used are the independents or soft party affiliates.   Those who are moderate, and could go either way.
  This group has been called the Reagan Democrat, the Clinton Republican, but for the most part, they are called independents.   I think this is a real deceiving measure to gauge the electorate.  
I will use myself as an example, but I will have you know that I do not consider myself the average voter.
I am a Registered Republican in the state of Iowa; I have to be if I want to vote in the Republican Caucus that takes place in Iowa every two years.  However, I would not be a registered Republican if I could vote in my state caucus without doing so.  I would consider myself independent.  I am conservative in nature, sometimes a libertarian, but not a Republican. 
So if I was polled and they asked me if I considered myself an independent, I would say yes.  I would not be lying, because the truth of the matter is I hold no nostalgia or sentimentality towards the Republican Party.  I am conservative, and I hold that has my value set, but if I knew a conservative Democrat running against a more liberal Republican, then I would not vote for the latter.

I suspect many voters feel the same way, whether it is center left or center right, they would vote on issues or against an incumbent.
According to Congressional Exit Polls in 2010, when ideology was gauged, 86% were conservative Republicans, and 14% conservative Democrats, which is an 18% change from 2008.


57% were moderate Democrats, while 43% were Republican, which means Democrats won that group by 14%.  The change from 2008 was only 10%, but that year Democrats took the senate and expanded their hold over the house.
For liberal, 92% were Democrats while 8% were Republican.  This was a 6% change from 2008.  Democrats gained some of the swing in this sub-group.
Now this was accumulated from Edison Research of Somerville, N.J. for the National Election Pool, a consortium of ABC News, Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News and NBC News, and comparing these year-to-year exit polls should factor in differences in how the questions were asked.

From the data here, we did not see a huge shift in any ideological group except conservative.  What that should tell us is that the middle did not swing this election, unless the middle moved towards conservative or did not come out.  I suspect it is a bit of both. 
 One way or another more people who came out in 2010 considered themselves conservative than in 2008.  However, the swing was not enough to account for the huge win loss ratio between Democrats and Republicans.
The only benchmarks that mattered were that of an extremely unpopular administration.

President Obama’s policies are not calculated when describing a swing voter; they are not conclusive in the political sense of swing voters.   

This is why since the mid-terms in 2010; we have seen President Obama’s speeches touch on rhetoric that is more conservative.  This is called Democratic pragmatism, and it has been used before by President Clinton.      
Arguments in favor of Obama winning the swing vote often do not take into account how popular his policies are.  What would be a better judge would be the swing state, where Hispanic voters could swing the race.   

In the case of the president, being pragmatic is a smart move.  In the Republican Party, some would see it as attune to moral and intellectual bankruptcy or just downright political cowardice.  That is just how it is, but will it harm their chances like some pundits contend it will.
We can look at the recent contraception debate as just one judge.

According to a new Gallup Poll, 48% say they back religious leaders who oppose to extending coverage and 45% who say they back President Barack Obama's administration.  Men (49%) are slightly more likely than woman (47%) to side with religious leaders.  83% of Republicans members’ side with religious leaders, while 76% of Democrats side with the president. 

This election will come down to the swing states, and key sub-groups within those states.  It is probable that if the economy is improving, then Obama will have a higher chance of being reelected, but if the economy starts to slip again, the president is likely to be on his last term.   
President Obama will attempt to do the same thing as they did in 2010, they will scream Republicans are extreme, but there is nothing in the data that says that will work.  Having said that, it is a smart move for them to move to the center, because the majority of the country does not see opposing Obama’s radical agenda to force churches to pay for things against their moral code as extreme.

6 comments:

  1. As you say we will see.

    My bet is that more voters will think the bishops are more extreme than Obama :)
    It will be even more fun once Ricky explains that he doesn't believe in seperation of church and state.

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    1. I think the Gallup poll tells a different story, and I do not think Santorum is going to tell voters he thinks that government should establish a religion, only that they should stay out of religious affairs. The majority of this country has one faith or another and most people seem to understand that the government should stay out of it. They have no right to make them do something that is against their moral code. This would be like the government making Muslims eat pork, or environmentalist cut down endangered trees.

      Don’t you think it is odd, we live in a liberal country, (so they say), but no Democrat will run as a liberal for president? You do not hear Democrats ever calling themselves liberal during the election cycle. There is a reason for this, because the country is center right.

      Yes, people do not want an established religion, but that does not mean they want no religion, or that the elected officials cannot express their faith. Everyone has beliefs that affect how he or she thinks. Obama think it is ok to force churches to go against their conscience. I suspect that is not the way most people think. That is an extreme way to do things.

      Nevertheless, this probably explains why Clinton is the only Democrat that has been reelected in how many years. In addition, he did that by signing welfare reform, and balancing budgets.

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    2. That all depends upon the way the question is framed - or lied about.

      You would think that the government was forcing unwilling women to ingest birth control pills against their will, if you listened to the bishops.

      In reality no one is being forced to do anything the Bishops are just angry that birth control is covered by insurance.

      I think most women voters are smart enough to see this.

      (Not the men, of course).

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    3. It is not as simple as just forcing them to cover by insurance, their being forced to provide insurance that provides something they are morally against. As I said, this would not go well if it was the other way around. Woman rights groups were against banning abortion, what it the law prohibited mandated that any employee that worked for that group to have a baby. Those woman’s groups would feel this is garbage; it is against their beliefs to be forced to have a baby. The factor would be of course the baby, but it is still the same.

      Beside, Democrats will win the majority of woman anyways, they always to. I do not think any woman that already vote for Republican; will now switch to Democrats because they are upset that churches do not want to be forced to purchase insurance that provides birth control to their employees. This is a huge overstep by government, even if it is justified by saying well the church is not paying for it. I beg to differ, the church is buying the insurance, and therefore it is paying for it. Now allow the church to provide insurance that does not cover them things, which would be fair. President Obama predicates that this is the right thing to do, but in reality, he is just trying to make sure his base comes out this November. I think this one he made a mistake, because the Repubs were about to nominate someone who could not bring the social conservatives out, but things like this will.

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    4. By the way, thank you for having these debates with me, I really wish more of us could be as civil as we are. I think if me and you were the ones running things, we could probably come to some kind of agreement. :-)

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    5. Thank you - I , on the other had have been conducting an experiment ( you are not the only one ) to see if it is possible for a liberal to communicate at all - it certainly isnt at sites like Redstate where I can't even respond, or likely ad dKos where you probably wouldn't last long :)

      As to your point - Quakers are required to fund wars, Muslims to fund pork expansion, and Bishop to fund executions ( which they pretend to morally oppose)

      Christian Scientists are even required to dispense drugs if the become pharmacists.

      Normal human beings can see thru that shit, and let the bishops get back to their altar boys.

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