The problem with this is that much of what Obama has done while in office has in effect been a continuation of what Bush had been doing when he left office.
Lets start with the most glaring similarities between the last two presidents, foreign policy.
In 2010, Tony Karon of Time Magazine said this:
Obama's promises of outreach to adversaries and consultation and coordination with allies certainly cleared away some of the negative atmospherics left by the Bush Administration. However, his substantial policy positions have proven to be remarkably similar to those of the second-term, chastened-by-reality George W. Bush. Indeed, anti-war Democrats groaned when the President, in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, referred to "evil in the world" and hailed America's willingness to use force abroad over the past six decades as an essential component of global security. The neoconservatives cheered.The reality is, for the most part the president as acted much in the same way Bush would have. In some ways Obama has done what the Democrats had wanted the country to believe Bush did, launch wars of choice with out the approval of the other side. Obama launched the war in Libya without congressional approval. If Bush would have tried that he would have had to spend the next year explaining why he defied the will of the elected government. Of course, Bush had not launched a war without congressional approval, he went to the house to get permission to strike both Afghanistan and Iraq.
President Obama issued this statement regarding the United States’ involvement in Libya: “Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world.”
It similarities reach beyond foreign policy. Both presidents have provided tax cuts to Americans, which includes the wealthiest citizens that make up the 1%. Sure, the two parties do fight about their respective ideologies in the media, but for the most part the economic policies have been similar. Both presidents have passed stimulus packages that were supposed to create jobs - although Obama's was much larger - and both had ran up record deficits trying to fix the economy and in the name of helping Americans stay healthy - Medicare Part D and Obama[care].
Another similarity is that both presidents issued signing statements that thwart the intent of the elected government, even though President Obama had stated that he would not use them. Eli Lake, of The Daily Beast reported on one this is January.
Lake wrote that "As a candidate in 2008, Barack Obama promised that if he was elected president he would not issue obscure declarations known as signing statements that thwart the intent of laws passed by Congress. But as the president now seeking reelection in 2012, on at least 20 occasions Obama has embraced the same tactic he criticized George W. Bush for using, raising allegations of double-dealing in Congress and questions of constitutionality from the American Bar Association."
It is important to iterate that I am not claiming that Bush and Obama are the exact same, because they are not. They both had moments where they were very ideological. However, since 2008 the President Obama has blamed Bush for everything that has gone wrong in this country. Bush had begun infusing the economy with tax payer money, and Obama continued this, but when it comes to giving his predecessor any credit, nothing. Bush had begun bailing out the banks before Obama did.
When President Obama talks about "the same policies that got us into this mess", what policies is he talking about. The fact is, Bush did not govern in his second term the same way he did in the first. As long as the president is blaming him for the economy - almost four years after he took office - point out what policies had caused this, and give him credit for changing course. The president is trying to have it both ways, in reality he has not veered a whole lot of the course Bush had set for this country.

I'm not sure how Repubs make the argument that Obama's policies are about the same as Bush's and at the same time make the argument that he is the most radical divider in history and a marxist to boot - but they do :)
ReplyDeleteThere are differences. For instance Lybia - war successful, zero Americans killed.
That's a difference.
When he talks about "the same policies that got us into this mess" he is talking about the Bush tax cuts that created the national debt - and if that hasn't changed yet it is because of Repub opposition, as we all know.
I'm not sure why they do that either. I do not think Obama is radical in the sense of what most conservatives think he is, but then again, most conservatives would feel my views on gay marriage are radical. Radical is such a subjective term, and it could be applied to anybody with a view different than our own.
ReplyDeleteSo do we judge the success of wars on casualty rates, then I would have to question whether or not world war two was a successful war. I was in favor of the Libya being attacked, but not in favor of doing in on the sneak.
Sorry Pat, it is not the Republican opposition that has kept those tax cuts. As you know, the Democrats had the power to pass laws without Republicans, but they chose to use it on healthcare and stimulus. Now if Democrats wanted to change the tax code, they could have done it then. The reason they did not is because they could not get enough people in their own party to sign onto a bill changing the Bush cuts. Besides, those cuts did not cause the debt, not even close.
The country's tax collections increased. Tom Blumer breaks this down for everyone.
collections increased by 44%, or almost $800 billion, in four years. Adding up the individual increments in each of the four years compared to 2003 (2004 - $98B; 2005 - $371B; 2006 - $624B; 2007 - $785B; 2008, not shown, treating IRS stimulus payments as outlays instead of negative receipts - $835B), what really happened is that in the five full fiscal years after George W. Bush got the across-the-board and investment-related tax cuts he had been pushing for since taking office in 2001, the cumulative increase in tax collections was over $2.7 trillion.
Doubtless, the static analysis crowd will claim that collections would have been even higher (I guess by a cumulative $1.6 trillion, given the AP's Democratic Party talking point above) if the Bush cuts hadn't been enacted. Two words, guys: Prove it. Two follow-up words: You can't.
We can argue all day long about the how much of the increase in collections was due to the incentive effects of the tax cuts and how of the improvement might have occurred anyway, but no one can credibly act as if it's an established fact that the Bush cuts somehow caused collections to go $1.6 trillion in the opposite direction. There is absolutely no proof for this contention, and plenty of evidence that the Bush cuts jump-started an economy and federal collections, both of which had been flat or declining during the two years leading up to mid-2003. The more reasonable conclusion to reach is that the country would already be dead in the water if the Bush tax cuts hadn't passed in 2003. Instead, the wire service hopes that its "Bush tax cuts cost us" meme will be gullibly recited during the next several days at its subscribing newspaper, TV, and radio outlets. "Disgraceful" doesn't even begin to describe this pathetic promotion of self-evident falsehood.
The fact is that the federal budget was one good year away from balancing after the $162 deficit reported in fiscal 2007. Unfortunately, that was the last budget passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, and it was the only year which showed a modest increase in overall spending. Beginning in 2007 with effects beginning in fiscal 2008, the House and Senate controlled by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid began increasing spending at rates far beyond what profligate Republicans spent earlier in the decade, and, unfortunately, Bush 43 made no real effort to stop them:
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/07/17/ap-claims-bush-tax-cuts-caused-national-debt-grow-16-trillion#ixzz1vk7g799y
> As you know, the Democrats had the power to pass laws without Republicans, but they chose to use it on healthcare and stimulus. Now if Democrats wanted to change the tax code, they could have done it then.
ReplyDeleteNot true - the Repubs had enough power in the Senate to prvent the Dems doing whatever they wanted.
Obama has been quite clear about wanting to raise taxes in high-income groups, and the Repubs have been quite clear opposing them.
And even of Obama can't get enough Dems to support everything he wants to do, how does that make him a bad leader ?
You can be sure Rmoney won't do anything about raising taxes.
> "Two words, guys: Prove it. Two follow-up words: You can't."
Well proving anything to a Repub is impossible - I've learned not to mention evolution or global warming around them.
Nevertheless less I, and millions of others, think it is true.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms//5-10-11bud-f1.jpg
Luckily elections don't hinge upon having to prove things to Repubs :)
Pat, you should know Obama said nothing about the Bush tax cuts until right before the mid terms, after they had already lost filibusters proof majority because of E. Kennedy's seat.
DeletePlus, millions of people believing something doesn't make it true. Besides you a simplifying the global warming issue. Hardly anyone believes its not warming, only the cause is debated. As for evolution, there holes in the theory, but for the most part we know what happen with macro evolution, micro on the other hand, ah. I'm not one to say either way. There are some compelling arguments on both sides of global warming issue. Some very smart, well respected scientist are sceptics. Besides, this election will be on how well voters think Obama has done. I wouldn't call him a bad or good leader. I just don't often agree with him. I certainly understand why he stayed the course on the wars.
>Obama said nothing about the Bush tax cuts
ReplyDeleteSo your reasoning is that if Obama didn't say something it doesn't exist ?
>millions of people believing something doesn't make it true.
Obviously or there wouldn't be southern baptists. This, however, is true.
>"Besides you a simplifying the global warming issue."
No I'm not - there is no "debate" aming scientists, just Repubs.
>"As for evolution, there holes in the theory,"
Again, only among Repubs.
Pat, I cannot figure out for the life of me what is causing this site to pop up warning of insecure content. When you told me about it, I started to delete things and rebuild, but nothing gets rid of it.
DeleteAnd, it is not just a Republican thing to disbelieve in evolution and such. You are identifying billions of people around the world. Muslims believe in the same God as Jews and Christians. About six billion people are believers in some God that created man. Intelligent design is not just a Republican thing either. I do know you are smart enough to know the difference between an ideology, and a belief in what the science says. Tell me what how macroevolutionary studies have proven that man has changed from ape. The problem is, no one can. The theory is still a work in progress. Men and ape have similar DNA, and they have found species that share even more similarities in the past. That does not necessarily mean that one evolved from the other. In fact very few times in the history of this planet has that happened, and never has it been identified as a fact when it comes to man and apes. Micro-evolution, small scale changes in gene frequencies in animals as well as humans can be proven, even studied.
Now I would like to iterate that I am not one who thinks the science is wrong, I just think it is incomplete, but like science loves to do, they love to make a theory, and then spend time trying to prove it, only to find out later that it was not right.
As for Global warming, if you want to tell yourself their is no dissent in the scientific community, that is fine, but you have no know that is not true. Pretending that it does not exist does not make it so.
But if we must, here is a few of them right here, and a link to a page that list most of them. Yes it is Wikipedia, but do the research and you will find that all these check out. You can challenge the theory, you can except what the majority says, but you cannot make up your own facts. And the fact is, not all scientist except that it is man made. The simple fact the left attempts to strong arm people into do so is telling in itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
Garth Paltridge, retired Chief Research Scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired Director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, Visiting Fellow
Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland said in a 2006 newspaper article: "There is evidence of global warming. ... But warming does not confirm that carbon dioxide is causing it. Climate is always warming or cooling. There are natural variability theories of warming. To support the argument that carbon dioxide is causing it, the evidence would have to distinguish between human-caused and natural warming. This has not been done."
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology wrote in a 2004 article and book: "There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."
Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever quit the American Physical society because he did not like their belief that global warming is absolutely man made. He said this in his letter to the board ""In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?" he wrote in an email to Kate Kirby, executive officer of the physics society."
DeleteThis list goes on and on, and these are some highly respected people. In fact, if the scientist were right to begin with, we should be in a lot of trouble by now, because only 20 years ago they were predicting catastrophe for the planet if things did not change, and things did not change, the world grew and used more CO2. Add this to the fact that we know the globe warms in cycles, then the theory of global warming is hindered quit a bit.
I do agree with Patrick but there are tons of decisions that obama shouldn't have made. Suffice to say he won't be getting any votes this election.
ReplyDeleteAny votes, or fewer votes. :). I am pretty confident that this election will come down to one simple thing, the economy.
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